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Comments about the mismanagement decision
Please use this forum to comment on the mismanagement decisions regarding the hash (payments, organising etc.)
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You are hereForums / Tirana Hash Forum / Comments about the mismanagement decision
Please use this forum to comment on the mismanagement decisions regarding the hash (payments, organising etc.)
I am perplexed to read that, in the circle, "your voice will be heard if your reasons are right". Who decides whether reasons are right, and on what basis?
I agree 100% with Helmuth's comment, and I would like to pick on certain other points here:
>>there will be a mandatory paying fee of 200 Lek
* How did we come up with this number? How many people agreed on this, web- or otherwise?
* What happens to newcomers, do they have to pay too? If not, for how many times? And how do we verify that a person has not been to the hash before?
>>This verdict is mandatory for the hash until new voting will be made.
* When will this new voting be made?
* Who, or how many people can ask for a voting to be made?
>>this was used to be made even before...in absence of a leader
>>to gather up officers and organize the hash the proper way
>>most of you during this last months missed this part.
* What is the proper way? Is it the way we want, or is it the way they do it in Timbuktu?
* This procedure was never in place during the last three years. Not in a single hash. What were the reasons it was abolished for those three years, and did those reasons cease to exist today?
On a side note, the hash has always had leaders, even when they did not have a badge. Guys and girls, you know who you are: thank you from my heart!
>>also we have to warn you that any decision made by majority will remain active until further notice.
* Who is the majority? The people who show up today out of 50 hashes in a year will decide what all the others will do? What about if someone is abroad this month, but otherwise comes to every hash? Will you take his or her vote? How, since web voting is not considered?
* Do newcomers have a right of vote in this process? Should the more regular hashers' word have more weight?
>>Our best advice is to listen to Hash elders
>>and quote that decision as in your best interest and commodity during hash.
* While I do respect your wish to protect our interests, I believe that we know them much better and can protect them ourselves, thank you very much. We are adult enough to understand people's reasons even when we disagree with them, and to play by the rules even when they are against our small interests. But only when everyone who has a say has been asked. Not just those who happened to have free time today and came to the hash. Not just those who found a car and could therefore come.
The hash has been part of people's lives for 14 years. It will not disappear tomorrow. You have all the time to sort out these questions before taking concrete actions. Otherwise what you are proposing is a benevolent dictatorship. Which is still a dictatorship.
>>The hash mismanagement team wishes you best experience during this hash.
* Thank you for flying with "Tirana Hash Airways" :)
hey webwimp man calm down, coffee ?
Hashers have been told to come on Thursday at the mismanagement meeting, and since they did not care to come by or they could not ( really sorry ) the majority was the ones who where present and also was glad that there where hashers who always cared to keep the hash running while missing a hashmaster, hashers who have been organizing the hash, hares with experience before you and me even knew about hash, people with more than 200 hashesh hare like Gladiator, or more than 3 years like our actual hash master ( approx cause we did not count but they pretty old in this ), I dont think shouting out on the web its the best solution, If hashers want they can ask for another voting, no one said anything this last Saturday tho.. any problem with post or the decision ? you rushing onto things, ask the hash master on how stuff progressed and how it was before this. even if you are contrary votes on the web go the same vector so people pay for beer and snaks and thats the organization did... but web voting could not be taken as grant cause some hashers are not anymore in here so voting from out of country while not being present and not knowing whats going on field, would be not fair for the ones that do are.
democracy is dictatorship of the majority man, thats its definition, so any kind of political status you will come up with it will be some kind of dictatorship, hash is non political so .... I rest my case, for further inquires I would advice anyone so he can clarify any problem to talk while being in person at hash rather than on the web, not all hashers do read this stuff on the web, so everyone is missing something as you accusing micromanagement team to made other hashers miss something ..
Please wear your seat belt, this is a non smoking hash, close all your electronic devices. due to volcanic hash eruptions we might have some delay to take off..:P
On on ..
>>hey webwimp man calm down, coffee ?
>>I dont think shouting out on the web its the best solution
Nobody is shouting. There is a difference between "arguing one's point", "opposing", "shouting", and "rambling". Thesaurus? ;)
>>democracy is dictatorship of the majority man
That same "dictatorship of the majority" idea was used to
- kill Jews ("the majority" deemed them monsters and thieves)
- send blacks to the back of the bus ("the majority" deemed them animals)
- keep communism in Albania (99.5% of the people deemed it good)
Thankfully most of the world has by now learned that democracy cannot be reduced to a dictatorship of the majority.
And yes, I rest my case as well, although your comment did not contain answers to any of my questions...
Have fun in the next hashes!
On on!
I think you getting stuff exagerated, man,
Already said upstairs that: solutions relies on whoever got something to say will say it while in hash for what I know our hashmaster does not get guns on hash and hash cash robs people, the web thing is not useful.. dont even know why I am arguing with you on this, this long...
whatever you make it, groups arrive in a common choice so stuff get easier to be managed than sanctions,laws etc are made for stuff and occasions out of the ordinary, in every kind of situation somebody will not like the minus while having it, as somebody when has + will like to have - . No one can manage every single one. and your samples are too much extremist . the definition and use of democracy is that, sue the oxford dictionary ;) how you use it tho.. depends on your good desire,
have fun man take it easy for further answers ask the master.
have fun over there on Hash I had awesome experience while hashing in Berlin wish so to you too
On on :))